The picture above is of my great great grandparents, John and Mary Stacey, and probably their 4 youngest children.
Their youngest son George was born in 1882 so that would date this photograph mid to late 1880s.
I will start my thoughts with John and Mary who are the maternal branch of my family.

Thursday 9 November 2023

Joining the dots!

In my previous post there was a photo of a group of people by a lake in Canada.  These were William and Mary Stacey and their cousin Annie Broadhead (right).  


My family tree programme has calculated my relationship with them and I was surprised to find that they were my 1st cousins twice removed. 

In a previous posting from June 2016 I mentioned Annie as the person who embroidered a picture which was sent to me by Liz Bucknell who was another 1st cousin twice removed of Annie.  



I find relationships a bit confusing but to put it as simple as I can we are all descended from my g g grandparents  John and Mary Stacey.   I was descended from their daughter Everil, Liz from their son John and Annie from another of their daughters Ann.

This is getting a bit long winded so to the purpose of this post.  I can now put a face to the talented lady who embroidered the picture.  I believe that Annie and her husband only had one child, a boy so maybe that is why her lovely work was passed on to her cousin Patricia who was Liz's mother.  Apparently Patricia had several items that Annie had made and when Patricia passed Liz offered me this one.  An heirloom to treasure.

Sunday 29 October 2023

Emigration to Canada early 20th century

 One of the problems with researching family history is going off on a tangent that takes up your time. Not only that it brings surprises you never expected.

What started me off on this story is a newspaper article I found on Find My Past website.



Kelita Stacey was my g g grandmother Everil Stacey's eldest brother who was born in Ecclesfield, Yorkshire in 1961.  He died in November 1949 in Rotherham, Yorkshire and left  the sum of £1109 of which £200 was to go to his son George who had emigrated to Canada.  His cousin said he had gone to Canada a number of years ago with his sister and another brother.

This started me on the journey to find out when he emigrated.  I checked the passenger lists of ships going to Canada.  The first I found was William Stacey, Kelita's second son had emigrated at the age of 21 in 1911, sailing on 17th June on board a ship named Teutonic from Liverpool to Montreal.  There were no other Staceys with him.   My next find was John Charles Stacey 26, the eldest of Kelita's sons, who sailed on 2nd May 1914 on board a ship named Canada, also heading for Montreal.

The next find surprised me.  On 3rd August 1923 Annie Stacey 59 and Mary Stacey 26 sailed together on board a ship named Montclaire also going to Montreal.  These were Kelita's wife and daughter. Mary was a few years older than this, I believe she was 65.  Perhaps that was thought to be too old for sailing all that way so she bent the truth a bit.

The last one I found was George Stacey born 1995, who is the one I had been searching for.  He sailed on 3rd October 1924 on board the Canada heading for Montreal.

Amazingly  Kelita's wife and all his children had gone to Canada and left him home alone.  I doubt I will ever know why.   I do know that John Charles did return as he was living in England with his father in 1939 when the 1939 register was taken prior to WW2.  

Another task for me now to try and find out what happened to those living in Canada.

William Stacey was living in Vancouver, British Columbia on the 1921 Canadian census. He was living in lodgings and working as a "motorman." On 7th May 1928 he married  Margaret Welsh a 42 year old spinster in Vancouver.  They were still living in Vancouver on 1931 census but don't have any children recorded at that time. He was still a motorman.  Margaret died on 5th January 1953.William died on 22nd May 1981 at the age of 91 years. He was buried in Ocean View Burial Park in Vancouver



Name

William Stacey

Sex

Male

Age

91

Birth Date

09 Dec 1889

Birth Year (Estimated)

1890

Birthplace

Yorkshire, England

Marital Status

Widowed

Father's Name

Kelita Stacey

Mother's Name

Anne

Event Type

Death

Event Date

22 May 1981

Event Place

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

 I also found George and his sister Mary in Vancouver. According to the 1931 census they were living together in a lodging house.  George was working as a labourer in road  construction and Mary was listed as a lodger. He died 10 years after his father Kelita, I wonder if he ever received  his inheritance.


George Stacey

Sex Male

Age 65

Birth Date 02 Apr 1894

Birth Year (Estimated) 1894

Birthplace, England

Marital Status Single

Father's Name Kelita Stacey

Mother's Name Anne Ward

Event Type Death

Event Date 17 Nov 1959

Event Place Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

 I have been unable to find their mother Annie on the census but later found her death on  3rd February 1931 which was probably before the 1931 census was recoded.


Name

Ann Stacey

Sex

Female

Age

74

Birth Date

03 Nov 1856

Birth Year (Estimated)

1857

Birthplace

, England

Marital Status

Married

Father's Name

John Ward

Mother's Name

Ann Spooner

Event Type

Death

Event Date

08 Feb 1931

Event Place

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada





The photo on the left is Annie Stacey (Ward) Kelita's wife.

The photo below is Mary and William Stacey in Canada in 1969 with their cousin Annie Jennings (right), who visited them from England. The photo of Annie Stacey given to her by William 




























An unusual but rather sad story I think.  Why was Kelita left home, did he just refuse to go and nobody bothered about him or was there a big family rift that broke them up.  Was John Charles the only one who cared so he went back home to stay with him.  William  was the only one who married and as far as I can see he didn't have any children.  I have been unable, as yet to find out what happened to Mary.  The brothers seemed to be looking after her as she wasn't living alone. That line of the family probably ended here. 
I need to find out what happened to John Charles after 1939. 

Wednesday 26 July 2023

 Family History Hiccough


When I first started family history research in 2000 the line I followed was that of my dad William Cox. It was quite easy using the Free Birth, Marriages and Deaths site (FreeBMD) back as far as it went which is 1837. This brought me to my great great grandfather Asa (Esau) Godber and from his marriage certificate I had the name of his father James Godber. I found James on the 1841 census living in Ilkeston in Derbyshire with his wife Ann and son Asa.

I found James' death on 21st March 1848 at the age of 69. His occupation was given as Out Pensioner of Chelsea Hospital. His name was James Godber alias Parrott.


I found a record of the discharge of James Godber in the Royal Hospital Chelsea admissions book. It said Sergeant Major James Godber was discharged from the militia aged 55 due to acute rheumatism after 35 years of service. I was so thrilled to have this record.

Trying to find the reason for the alias Parrott on James' death certificate led to me finding out his mother Mary Godber was unmarried but when James was a month old she married Edward Parrott. With James using the name Godber I wasn't sure whether or not Edward was his father. I thought maybe they would have changed his name to Parrott but he still used Godber.

This year I was looking at old newspapers on line and came across the story of the accidental death of Sergeant Major James Godber in Cossall, Derbyshire in 1848. Towards the end of the story it said that he had not been married. Could I have the wrong James Godber?



Back to Royal Chelsea Hospital records and I found a record for James Parrott who was discharged from the army in 1808 after 8 years and 6 months service due to loss of vision caused by ophthalmia.

I do have the right James but should have looked at the records more carefully. The first record I found was for a James Godber who was in the militia while the correct one was in the 35th Regiment of Foot. James Godber (Parrott's) death certificate did say he was from the 35th Regiment.

I was surprised that James had used the name Parrott to sign up. I found 2 records of his marriage to Ann Burrey in 1811 one gave his name as James Godber and the other as James Parrott Godber.

The James Godber who died due to an accident was 2 years younger than my James Godber but they both died in 1848.

Just shows you can be confused and make mistakes with unusual names not just common ones like Smith and Jones